1 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,440 Do wuss-wuss for Daddy. Come on. 2 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Come on, Sandy, do your wuss-wuss. 3 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Go on, off you go. 4 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,600 Do your wuss-wuss. 5 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,480 Come on you little buggers, come on. 6 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Do your wuss-wuss. 7 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,480 Charles. I thought you were still in New Zealand. 8 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,520 I'm defending myself from unfound... 9 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,800 What do you mean blow it? 10 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,320 Blow what? 11 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Is Mummy aware? 12 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,920 Yes, of course, Mummy's aware. 13 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,480 As a matter of fact, she thinks it's a very good idea. 14 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,520 Calls me a fucking mummy's boy. 15 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,880 - He's the fucking mummy's boy! - Papa? 16 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Just one more. 17 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,800 Yes, I've told her. 18 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,600 Will do. 19 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Good man. 20 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,680 Well, Charles got wind of the interview 21 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,160 and went full Tonto. 22 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Prince Phillip's done his usual ring round, 23 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Edward's taking Charles' side and Anne's on a horse 24 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,920 - somewhere unreachable. - So, it's off? 25 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,960 We can but hope. 26 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,880 And Her Majesty? 27 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Whatever Andrew wants. 28 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,240 My hands are tied. 29 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,720 If I go against Her Majesty's wishes... 30 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,360 ...well, obviously, I can't. 31 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,000 Keep an eye on Andrew, I'll handle Charles. 32 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Once more unto the breach, dear friends. 33 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,120 - Stew? - Emily, I've just had a message 34 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,160 from the Palace. It's off. 35 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,640 - What? - He's called it off. 36 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,760 - No. - Yeah. 37 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,800 No. 38 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,840 We're only hours away from filming. 39 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,080 If we don't do this interview now, we'll never get him back. 40 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,440 No. He's called it off, Emily. 41 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Well, he can't. 42 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,840 I mean, tell him if he doesn't go on record, 43 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,240 the media will kill him. 44 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,800 I mean, they're killing him already. 45 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Yeah, I've been telling them that for ages. 46 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,480 Yeah, well, tell them again. 47 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,560 He can't just call it off like that. 48 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Emily, they just did. 49 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Fuck. 50 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,680 Okay, boys, let's go. 51 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Esme's calling, alright, I'll text you if I hear anything. 52 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,240 Be ready to go just in case. 53 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,160 Emily... 54 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,920 - ...are you listening? - Yes, I'm listening. 55 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Esme's calling. She may know why, alright? 56 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,080 I'll get back to you. 57 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,800 Bye. 58 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Shit. 59 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,600 What's Amanda saying? 60 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Beatrice is on her way to talk to him now. 61 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,600 - How long can we hold the slot? - Uh, another hour max. 62 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,680 I've just told our BBC bosses this was on. 63 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,480 If we lose it now, we look like the worst journalists in the world. 64 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,776 Well, that's kind of an achievement. 65 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,920 Yeah, not really. 66 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:39,416 {\an8}They tried to wipe you out 67 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,536 and you're only still here because I stood up for you! 68 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,040 That's not true! 69 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,520 Please, just give me time to think about this. 70 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,520 I'm not saying anything else until she gets here. Quiet! 71 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,880 Mummy, Daddy. 72 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,840 - Thank you for coming, darling. - Of course. 73 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:06,040 Mummy's, um... Mummy's told you about Charles's call? 74 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Only that he's angry with you for doing the interview. 75 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,440 - What did he say? - Oh... 76 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,520 some nonsense about... damaging the firm's reputation. 77 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,080 He can talk. Mr Tampon. 78 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,440 No, that's really wrong of him. 79 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,760 He should be supporting you, not telling you off. You're family. 80 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:32,720 As your great-grandfather, King George VI once said, 81 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,160 this isn't a family. 82 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520 My parents aren't my parents. 83 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,160 I don't have brothers and sisters. 84 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,680 You don't have aunts and uncles, for that matter. 85 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,720 Not in any way that makes sense. 86 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,376 And what's even odder, because in all this, 87 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,400 in all the... whatever it is we actually are, 88 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,400 the one person 89 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,600 who's tried so hard to protect me, 90 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,920 who's gone way beyond, 91 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 way beyond, 92 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,480 is actually the least like any other person in the world. 93 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,720 But even Her Majesty has her limits. 94 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,240 Honestly, the happiest I've ever been 95 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,600 was chucked about in the bottom of a boat in the Falklands. 96 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,560 You don't believe that. 97 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,920 You love being a royal. 98 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,920 You love this family. 99 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 I love my mother. 100 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,400 I love you. 101 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,480 I love Eugenie. 102 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Why haven't you talked like this before? 103 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,400 I've never been in this much trouble before. 104 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,080 You've done nothing wrong. 105 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,360 Nothing. 106 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,280 So, just tell them the truth. 107 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,120 And Granny's behind it, yes? 108 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Yes, yes, she is. 109 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,200 That's good. 110 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,760 That's good. 111 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,720 Well, I'd listen to your loved ones. 112 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,520 Moody! Oh. 113 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,240 For Christ's sake, Moody. 114 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,400 There's nobody there. Moody! 115 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,640 Oh. 116 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,720 Go, get out. 117 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,600 Fucking fuck. 118 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,120 Good luck. 119 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,880 Shit. 120 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,720 Sorry I shouted. 121 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,120 Okay. 122 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,616 Yeah, yeah. I'm coming. I'm coming. 123 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,456 I've just had a call from Amanda Thirsk. 124 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,040 - Are you ready for this? - What, what? 125 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,200 She's got another alibi. 126 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,336 Apparently on the night he was supposed to be at Tramp 127 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,440 with Virginia Giuffre, 128 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,240 he was at a Pizza Express in Woking 129 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,000 with his daughter, Eugenie, which just happens to coincide 130 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,376 perfectly with the transcript of Virginia's Panorama interview 131 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,760 that we have in our back pocket. 132 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,880 Oh, shit. So, he knows about the Panorama interview. 133 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Possibly. 134 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,440 Buckingham Palace, please. 135 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,840 But what... what was he doing at Pizza Express in Woking, anyway? 136 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,040 You may well ask. 137 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,520 He claims he was at a birthday party for one of his daughter's friends. 138 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,216 Well, seriously, who's gonna believe that? 139 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,760 He's insisting we include it. 140 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,680 No way, I'm not feeding him bloody alibis. 141 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,320 If he wants to bring it up, he can. 142 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,880 Okay, I've got to go. 143 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,600 Yeah, that's it, all the way to the top. 144 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,560 Donal, we're back on. 145 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,560 - Amanda? - Yes, Sir? 146 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Have you still got that list of questions you wrote? 147 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,200 - Yes, Sir. - I'll take another look. 148 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,440 Okay, I'll just, uh... two secs. 149 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,440 Got it. 150 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:01,320 Feels a bit like Game of Thrones, all this... 151 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,480 ...what do you want to call it? 152 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,360 You'll be wonderful, Sir. 153 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,840 I wasn't asking if I'd be alright. 154 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,320 How should I look? 155 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,560 - Sorry? Look? - For the interview. 156 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,240 I know what I have to say, hopefully. 157 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,240 The gist of it, as it were. 158 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,080 But, uh... 159 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,600 ...obviously it's all... you know, it's all... 160 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:36,040 ...how you look these days, the angle. 161 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,720 Just be yourself, Sir. 162 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,360 You always come across so confidently. 163 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Cameras. 164 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,840 They got Nixon that way. 165 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,400 All those bloody close-ups. 166 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,320 You'll be fine, Sir. 167 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,800 What if I can't remember? 168 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,880 As we discussed... 169 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:10,280 ...you say, I have no recollection of... whatever it is. 170 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,320 From a legal point of view, that will be the best answer. 171 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,960 It's nearly 20 years ago, Amanda. 172 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,720 And this damn photograph. 173 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,680 What does it actually mean? 174 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,680 Even if it is... true, as it were, which it isn't, 175 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:33,560 but I mean to say, I put my arm around her, if I did. 176 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,920 That's all I did. 177 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,680 And honestly, I mean, at the end of the day, 178 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,840 how on earth is a bloke supposed to remember 179 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,120 all the women he's bedded? 180 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,840 Sorry, er, I'll pop back later. 181 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,320 - Hey, you okay? - He's doing the interview. 182 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,640 I know. Mummy told me. 183 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,960 It's right, Bea, we need it gone. 184 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,800 You've got your wedding, I've got work. 185 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,520 Frankly, I didn't ask for any of this. 186 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,200 I... I'm not saying it's Daddy's fault, I'm just saying... 187 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,080 No, I'm just not sure if Daddy can handle this. 188 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,320 What do you mean? 189 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,000 Well, I just mean that sometimes he says things 190 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,440 and he doesn't really... really think. 191 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,480 He just... 192 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,240 ...honestly, I just want this whole story to go away now. 193 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Totally. It's a bloody nightmare. 194 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,800 What if he can't do it? 195 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,240 He'll be fine, Bea. You worry too much. 196 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,200 - Bye-bye. - Okay, bye. 197 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Who the hell actually told my brother 198 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,560 I was talking to Newsnight? 199 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,880 I'm not quite sure, Sir. 200 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,360 I suspect Donal McCabe 201 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,200 might have had something to do with it. 202 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Cunt. Excuse my French. 203 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Notes. 204 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,520 Why the hell didn't we talk more about any of this? 205 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,720 I did try. 206 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Really, I think just... 207 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,000 ...you're such a straight talking person, Sir. 208 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,520 - Yep. - All those business meetings, 209 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,040 you know, your... your talks with young entrepreneurs. 210 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,600 Just think of it like that. 211 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,976 If she asks me all these questions, 212 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,280 we'll be there till bloody midnight. 213 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,840 I was just trying to cover all the bases. 214 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,520 Uh... 215 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,720 Right. Let's do it. 216 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,920 - Shoes. - Oh, oh fuck. 217 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,560 Let... let me. 218 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,760 All done. 219 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,320 - Sir. - Fuck off. 220 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,160 - Donal? - Target in sight. 221 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,440 We're in England, Donal, not Hollywood. 222 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,000 - Sorry. - Stay close, don't speak. 223 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,400 - Record everything. - Will do. 224 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,440 - Emily. - I'm so sorry I'm late. 225 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,440 Don't worry, don't worry, are you okay? 226 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,320 I need the loo. 227 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Uh, it's straight through there, left at the chintz. 228 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,480 This interview has been exceptionally rare. 229 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Fuck. 230 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Yeah. 231 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,960 - Okay. - Sam. 232 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,520 Good luck, Em. 233 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,400 So sorry I'm late, Your Royal Highness. 234 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,560 - Amanda. - Not at all. 235 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,320 I was just telling your team here that, uh, 236 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,000 I was an engineer for my sins. 237 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,720 Uh, so all this technical stuff I find rather interesting. 238 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,480 Yes. 239 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,696 I'm just gonna pop that on there. 240 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,560 Yeah. It's the most insane carpet. 241 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,320 - It's making me dizzy. - Yeah. 242 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,880 Trump meets the Kardashians. Who knew? You'll be fine. 243 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,160 Just focus on the Duke. 244 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,880 I've still got an hour? 245 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,400 One take straight through. They're not budging on that. 246 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,880 - So, if I overrun? - You can't. 247 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,880 Camera cards only last for an hour, 248 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,296 so he's gonna try and talk too much, 249 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,760 but just don't let him. 250 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,480 And if he denies knowing her, take out the photo. 251 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,680 - Nothing's off limits, right? - Right. 252 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,880 So sorry. 253 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,320 - There we go. - Yeah. 254 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,520 You need to run that round the back. 255 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,080 - Sorry? - The lead. 256 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,536 He'll need to run it around the back, 257 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,680 or it'll be in shot, I believe. 258 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Oh, yeah. Thank you. Yes. 259 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,280 Sorry. 260 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,240 That's all good. 261 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,440 Mrs Maitlis seems nervous. 262 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,640 She should be. 263 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,400 What's Donal doing here? 264 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,400 I have no idea. 265 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Shall I ask him to go? 266 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,000 No, leave it. Somebody sent him. 267 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,640 Probably the boss. 268 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Oh. 269 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,880 - All set? - Almost there. 270 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,176 I'd like to get on. Shall we start? 271 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,320 Yeah, just... just doing last checks. 272 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,680 Okay. Positions please. 273 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,080 Standby. 274 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,560 Cameras. 275 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,080 Rolling. 276 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Sound. 277 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,680 Speed. 278 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,160 Emily. 279 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,880 Your Royal Highness, 280 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,760 we've come to Buckingham Palace in... 281 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,320 ...highly unusual circumstances. 282 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Normally we'd be discussing your work, your duty, 283 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,160 we'll come onto that. 284 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,480 But today you've chosen to speak out for the first time. 285 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Why have you decided to talk now? 286 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:45,520 Because... there is no good time to talk about, um, 287 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,720 Mr Epstein and all things associated. 288 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,680 Um, and we've been talking to Newsnight 289 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,280 for about six months now, uh, about doing something 290 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:58,240 around the work that I was doing. 291 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,960 Uh, and unfortunately, we just haven't been able to fit it 292 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200 into either your schedule or my schedule 293 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,560 um, until, uh, now. 294 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,240 Uh, actually it's a... a really good opportunity, 295 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,040 and I'm delighted to, uh, be able to... see you today. 296 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:17,880 As you say, all of this goes back to your friendship 297 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,840 - with Jeffrey Epstein. - Mm. 298 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,800 How did you first become friends? How did you meet? 299 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,240 Well, I met through his girlfriend, uh, back in 1999. 300 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,840 Uh, who... and I'd known her since she was at university in the UK. 301 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,880 And to some extent, 302 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,200 it would be a stretch to say that, as it were, 303 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,960 uh, we were close friends. 304 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,120 I mean, we were friends because of other people. 305 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,640 Uh, and I had a lot of opportunity 306 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,560 to go to the United States. 307 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,120 Um, but I didn't have much time with him. 308 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,800 I suppose I saw him once or twice a year, perhaps, 309 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,600 maybe a maximum of three times a year. 310 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,480 And quite often, uh, if I was in the United States, 311 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,800 and I was doing something, 312 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,600 and if he wasn't there, he would say, 313 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,680 "Well, why don't you use, uh, my houses?" 314 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,560 So, I said, "Well, that's very kind. Thanks very much indeed." 315 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,240 She's letting him talk too much. 316 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,160 But he had an extraordinary ability to bring, um, 317 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,120 extraordinary people together. 318 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,360 And that's the bit that I remember, uh, 319 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,880 is going to the dinner parties where you'd meet, um, 320 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,520 politicians, uh, the academics, people from the United Nations. 321 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,680 I mean, it was a cosmopolitan group of US eminence. 322 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,720 He was your guest as well. In 2000, 323 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,760 Epstein was a guest at Windsor Castle and at Sandringham. 324 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,680 He was brought right into the heart 325 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,560 of the Royal Family at your invitation. 326 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,560 Yes but, but certainly at my invitation, 327 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,400 not at the royal family's invitation. 328 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,640 But remember it was his girlfriend 329 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,640 that... that... that was the key element in this. 330 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,800 He was the, as it were, plus one, uh, to some extent, 331 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,200 in, in, in that aspect. 332 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Am I... am I right in thinking you threw a birthday party, um, 333 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,280 for Epstein's girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, 334 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,640 at Sandringham? 335 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,600 No, it was a shooting weekend. 336 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,760 A shooting weekend? 337 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,640 Just a straightforward... straightforward shooting weekend. 338 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,960 But during these times that he was a guest at Windsor Castle, 339 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,800 at Sandringham, uh, the shooting weekend... 340 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 341 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,560 ...we now know that he was 342 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,080 and had been procuring young girls for sex trafficking. 343 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,400 Uh, we now know that. 344 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,960 At the time, 345 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,480 there was no indication... to me 346 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,160 or to anybody else 347 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,600 that that was what he was doing. 348 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,360 And certainly, um, when I saw him, uh, 349 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520 either in the United States or... no... 350 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,120 when I saw him in the United States, 351 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,640 or when I was staying at his houses in the United States, 352 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,440 um, there was no indication, 353 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,760 absolutely no indication. 354 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,840 And if there was, uh, you have to remember that at the time 355 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,080 I was patron the NSPCC's, uh, Full Stop campaign. 356 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:14,800 So, I was close up with what was going on at those, um, times 357 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,640 about, uh, getting rid of, um, abuse to, to, to, to children. 358 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,160 Uh, and so I knew what... what was... 359 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,800 ...what the things were to look for, and I never saw them. 360 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,400 So, you would have made that connection 361 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,200 because you stayed with him, you were a visitor, 362 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,400 a guest on many occasions at his homes. 363 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,800 And nothing struck you as suspicious? 364 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,256 - Nothing. - During that whole time. 365 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Nothing. 366 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,680 Just for the record, 367 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,000 you've stayed on his private island. 368 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,120 Yes. 369 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,280 You've stayed at his home. 370 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,360 Yes. 371 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,080 You've visited Ghislaine Maxwell's house 372 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,600 in Belgravia, in London. 373 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Yes. 374 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,360 Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein? 375 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,800 Ah... now, still not. 376 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,880 Just apologise, for God's sake. 377 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,720 And the reason being, the people that I met 378 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,600 and the opportunities that I was given 379 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,400 to learn either by him or because of him, 380 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,400 were actually very useful. 381 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,760 He himself, not as it were, um, as close as you might think. 382 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,800 We... we... we... were... we weren't that close. 383 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,360 So, therefore, I mean, yes, I stayed at his house, 384 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,040 but that was because of his girlfriend, not because of him. 385 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,800 In July of this year, 386 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,840 Epstein was arrested on charges of sex trafficking 387 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,560 and abusing dozens of underage girls. 388 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,120 One of Epstein's accusers, 389 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,440 - Virginia Roberts, - Yeah. 390 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,440 has made allegations against you. 391 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,480 She says she met you in 2001. 392 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,760 She says she dined with you, 393 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,880 danced with you at Tramp Nightclub in London. 394 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,440 She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia, 395 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,680 belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your friend. 396 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,960 Your response? 397 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:57,080 I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady. 398 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,120 None whatsoever. 399 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240 You don't remember meeting her? 400 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,400 No. 401 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,400 Do you know you didn't meet her? 402 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,400 Or do you just not remember meeting her? 403 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,440 No, I ha... well, I... I don't know if I've met her. 404 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,560 But no, I have no recollection of meeting her. 405 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,880 Because she was very specific. 406 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,800 She described the dance that you had together in Tramp. 407 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,440 She described meeting you. 408 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,400 She was a 17-year-old girl 409 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,040 meeting a senior member of the royal family. 410 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,800 Never happened. 411 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,200 You seem utterly convinced you're telling the truth. 412 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,360 Would you be willing to testify 413 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,640 or give a statement under oath if you were asked? 414 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Well, I... I'm like everybody else, 415 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,000 and I... I would have to take all the legal advice 416 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,160 that there was before, um... 417 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480 ...I... I was to do that sort of thing, but... 418 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,240 ...if push came to shove and the... 419 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,000 ...and the legal advice 420 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,040 was to do so, then um, I would be duty-bound to do so. 421 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,000 Do you recall any kind of sexual contact 422 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,400 with Virginia Roberts then, or at any other time? 423 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,240 I... I... I can't. I've... I've racked my brains. 424 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,120 I'm... I'm thinking, oh, uh, when the first allegation, 425 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,360 when the allegations came out originally, I was like, 426 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,120 er... well, that's strange, I don't remember this. 427 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160 And... and then I've been through it 428 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,280 and through it and through it, 429 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,840 over and over and over again. 430 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,880 And... no, nothing. 431 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,080 It just never happened. 432 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Epstein's housekeeper, 433 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,560 also in a Florida court legal deposition, 434 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,120 said that you visited the Palm Beach residence 435 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760 around four times a year. You got a daily massage... 436 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,240 Four times a year? 437 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,320 That was what he said in a Florida Court 438 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,960 - legal deposition. - No. 439 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,640 Is there a chance that those massages 440 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680 might have been the services of someone 441 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,160 who was being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein? 442 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,440 N... no. 443 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,000 I don't, I mean, I... no, no, definitely not, definitely not. 444 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,920 And I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach house 445 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,560 three or four times a year. 446 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,320 Absolutely not. 447 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,800 How many times would you say you visited? 448 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:44,120 Uh, in total, probably four times in total, 449 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,040 uh, throughout the time that I knew him. 450 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,120 Uh, and... in fact, uh... 451 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,120 probably that... that was the place that, um... 452 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,400 ...if you see what I mean, that he was there. 453 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,880 He was more in the house there than in, um... 454 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560 ...than in other places that I was at. 455 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,360 But it was usually because I was going... 456 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,040 ...I was going through, and on to somewhere else. 457 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,240 So, it was a day. 458 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,680 That was it. 459 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,280 I mean, there are all sorts of things on the internet 460 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,880 and out there in the public domain, 461 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,400 and we'd just sort of go, well, yeah, 462 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,240 but I'm afraid this... just never happened. 463 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,240 I wonder if you have any sense now 464 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,400 of guilt, regret, or shame 465 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,320 about any of your behaviour or your friendship with Epstein? 466 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,680 Well, as far as Mr Epstein is concerned, 467 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:49,360 um, it was the wrong decision to go and see him in 2010. 468 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,200 As far as my, uh, association with him was concerned, 469 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,640 there were some seriously beneficial outcomes, 470 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,840 uh, in areas, uh, that have nothing... 471 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,360 that had nothing to do with what I would describe 472 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760 as what we're talking about today. 473 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,520 On balance, could I have avoided ever meeting him? 474 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,680 Probably not. 475 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,120 And that's because of my friendship with Ghislaine. 476 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,480 It was... it was... it was inevitable that, um, 477 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,760 we would come across each other. 478 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously, uh, 479 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,480 conducted himself in a manner unbecoming? 480 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600 - Yes. - Unbecoming? 481 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680 He was a sex offender. 482 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,880 Yeah, sorry, I was being polite. 483 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,320 I mean, in the sense that he was a sex offender. 484 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,960 But no, um... 485 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,920 ...was I right in having him as a friend at the time, 486 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,040 bearing in mind this was some years before 487 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,280 he was accused of being a... a sex offender? 488 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,160 I don't think there was anything wrong then. 489 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,640 Um, the problem was the fact that once he was convicted... 490 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160 - You stayed with him. - I stayed with him. 491 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,800 So, if Virginia Roberts is watching this interview, 492 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120 what is your message to her? 493 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320 Your Royal Highness, thank you. 494 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,280 Thank you very much indeed. 495 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,440 Hold your positions, please. 496 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,120 Great. 497 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520 Your Royal Highness, thank you so much. 498 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080 Did we get it? I didn't show the photo. 499 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,360 You didn't need to. 500 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Sir, the alibis. 501 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,120 You didn't mention those. 502 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,680 I didn't? 503 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,920 I do think it would be advisable to have those included. 504 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,560 Yes, of course, um... 505 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,160 ...but it went alright otherwise? 506 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,200 It went very well, Sir. 507 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,336 He denied knowing her, I should have shown the photo. 508 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,520 You didn't need to. It was... 509 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,920 You didn't ask me about my alibis... as discussed. 510 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,960 Um, the sweating and, um, my visit to Pizza Express. 511 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,560 - Sweating? - Yeah. 512 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,880 I must insist that we include these details. 513 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120 They're material to His Royal Highness's defence. 514 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,440 We were expecting to be asked about them. 515 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,200 It'd have to be a drop-in. 516 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,816 If anything goes wrong, they can accuse us 517 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,280 - of tampering the chronology. - It's fine. Absolutely. 518 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,320 We'll do it now. 519 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Stewart. 520 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,280 Right, um, yep. 521 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,440 Emily, if you want to lead us in then, uh, 522 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,360 yeah, we can cover those questions now. 523 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,440 From? 524 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,320 From... wherever you like. 525 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,640 Let's check the cards on all cameras. 526 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,440 Hmm. Alright. 527 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,040 Cameras reloaded. 528 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,160 Standby. 529 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,640 Standing by. 530 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,440 Cameras. 531 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,000 Resetting. Rolling. 532 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,200 Roll. 533 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,640 Rolling. 534 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,680 Sound. 535 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,960 Speed. 536 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,840 - Emily. - Mm. 537 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,440 And cut. 538 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,840 That's a wrap then, guys. 539 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,600 Well, thank you, Emily, for coming to Buckingham Palace. 540 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,040 As I said, um, I am most grateful for the opportunity 541 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,376 to have discussed this with you. 542 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,760 Would you mind if we did some walking shots for the opening? 543 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,960 Oh, not at all, not at all. 544 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,000 Uh, in fact, we have some splendid corridors. 545 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,800 - Shall we? - Ah, thanks. 546 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,680 Donal. 547 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,840 Done. 548 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,600 And? 549 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800 I'll let you listen. 550 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,640 Camera rolling. 551 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,880 And action. 552 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,480 Um, yes, this is, um... 553 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,480 I thought that went well. 554 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,200 Very good. 555 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,120 Just one more please, Sir. 556 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,280 - Once more. - Just? 557 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,880 - Yes. - Mm. 558 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,160 - Sir. - And action. 559 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,760 So... 560 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,200 ...you'll keep in touch? 561 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,920 Absolutely. 562 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Thank you. 563 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,320 We've got this, Sir. Thank you. 564 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,920 - Okay. - Yep. 565 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,320 Um... 566 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,400 Ah. 567 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,360 This is my great-great-great grandfather, Prince Albert. 568 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080 They called him the first royal entrepreneur, 569 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,560 Her Majesty calls me the second , so, no, 570 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,120 well, I have great plans for the, uh, the, uh... 571 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,000 ...how do you think it went? 572 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,880 I thought it was... very frank. 573 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,160 Yes. Yes, I hope so. 574 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,680 Well, I certainly do appreciate the chance to, uh, as it were... 575 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,320 ...oh, well, obviously it was a... a risk, but no, no, no, I... I felt it. 576 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,040 And you... and you felt it. 577 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,480 - Absolutely. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 578 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,160 So, yeah, well... 579 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,640 - Very good. - I should probably... 580 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,960 - Yes, thank you. - Oh, yeah, well... 581 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,200 Thank you, Emily. 582 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,480 - Amanda. - Miss Maitlis, thank you. 583 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,480 Wow. 584 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,680 What the fuck just happened? That was wild. 585 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,280 - Like having a baby. - Honestly, Em, you are amazing. 586 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,160 I actually thought it was bizarre. 587 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,280 Why? 588 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,376 Well, everything, I mean, the... the whole way he talked. 589 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,400 His... his alibis. 590 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,120 He made about as much sense as my gran, 591 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400 and... and she barely even knows her own name. 592 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,576 Well, I'm just glad it's over. 593 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,520 There's a slight problem with the party... 594 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,760 Uh... 595 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,680 Daddy? 596 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,520 Bea. 597 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,320 Did it. 598 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,400 Well done, Pups. 599 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520 We talk to nobody about what just happened. 600 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,120 Anyone on the BBC gets wind of it or it's leaked, 601 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,760 we screw up our chances of getting it out there. 602 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,600 So, what have we got? 603 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,680 Uh, okay. Wide tracking shot, two shot, two over the shoulders, 604 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,600 uh, and a clean single on Andrew. 605 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,400 Um, there was a slight problem with, er, Emily's single. 606 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640 Uh, it just... it was a colour thing. 607 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,536 Um, it's fine, we've got tonnes of footage to cut from. 608 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,096 The problem is we, you know, we've got very little time to cut it. 609 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,960 You'll be fine. 610 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,600 Yeah. 611 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,520 It was not at all like we rehearsed. I mean... 612 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,560 - How do you mean? - No, pushbacks. 613 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,920 A bit of blustering at the beginning, but, yeah, 614 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,640 you know, Jake said it in the cab, 615 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,120 he was weirdly guileless. 616 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,600 Amanda thinks it went very well. 617 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,640 Well, so does he. 618 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560 Alright, Stew, you're gonna need to manage that. 619 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,480 Any questions from Amanda, 620 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,760 I want you just to politely push back on. 621 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,976 I don't want her or anyone else at the Palace breaking cover 622 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,440 before this goes out. 623 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,080 I'm gonna need an edit by tomorrow PM 624 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,920 and two trailers by tonight. 625 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,080 Transmission is this weekend, TBC. 626 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,520 Wow. 627 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,880 Duke of York address addresses the ball. 628 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,680 Two points clear at the 18th with only himself 629 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,120 between victory and defeat. 630 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,160 It's going to swing left or right. 631 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,880 And he sends it on its way, perfectly weighted, 632 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,280 curling right across the green. 633 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,640 Is it gonna come up short? 634 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,200 No, oh-ho-ho! 635 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,360 A perfectly judged putt once more 636 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,880 to take the claret jug. 637 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,200 Waaah, the crowd, 638 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,640 listen to them going wild, roaring, 639 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,360 waah, roaring for him here at St Andrew's Golf course. 640 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,400 Waah, so aptly named. Waaah, what a fighter. 641 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,400 What a thoroughly deserved victory. 642 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,360 I'm going on a shooting weekend. 643 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,680 I'll leave tomorrow. 644 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,400 Very good, Sir. 645 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120 Oh, here she comes. 646 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,040 All that just to murder some birds. 647 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,896 How are we looking, Amanda? 648 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,016 I just wanted to let you know 649 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080 Newsnight have announced transmission for tomorrow. 650 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,360 Nine PM on BBC 2. 651 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560 Ah, good slot? 652 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,160 It's the intelligent person's lot, Sir. 653 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,600 Oh. Any, uh... any publicity, as it were? 654 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,320 Some announcements on radio 655 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,640 and a post on their Twitter account. 656 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,880 I imagine there'll be more as the day goes on. 657 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,800 Yes, yeah. 658 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,680 There does appear to be quite a lot of interest 659 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,640 from the reaction to their Twitter post. 660 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,320 Positive? 661 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,960 The usual mix. 662 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,920 Right, right, yeah. 663 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,560 Well, I'll be shooting this weekend, so, uh... 664 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,920 ...I probably won't be watching. 665 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,960 You'll keep me posted? 666 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,280 Yes, Sir. 667 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,040 Sir? 668 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,120 Right then. 669 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,176 Can we hurry, please? We're running out of time. 670 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,640 Yeah, I'm going as fast as I can. 671 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,496 - Do you want me to drive? - No, I fucking don't. 672 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,136 - Boys. - We're 24 hours off transmission. 673 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,480 We're drowning in fucking footage, 674 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,640 and no one has any clue where anything is except me. 675 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,136 So, can you please all stop pretending 676 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,200 like you know what you're talking about and just... 677 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,160 ...just shut the fuck up? 678 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,080 Okay, so I've put the pickup between two questions 679 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,600 - about the nightclub. - Okay. 680 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,920 Also, um, Emily moved her hair behind her ear between takes. 681 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,760 Pick up, main interview. 682 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,920 No one spotted it at the time, so... 683 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,840 Oh God, shit, I'm so sorry, Jake. 684 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,440 I didn't even realise I was doing that. 685 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,160 Will anyone notice? 686 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,760 Probably not, no. 687 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,200 It took me a while to see it. 688 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,920 And to be fair, she could have moved her hair between shots. 689 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,720 Okay, let's have a look. 690 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,800 Do you remember her? 691 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,880 No. 692 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,440 I... I have no recollection of ever meeting her. 693 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,120 I'm almo... in fact, I'm convinced 694 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,640 that I was never in Tramps with her. 695 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,080 Uh, there are a number of things wrong with that story, 696 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,160 one of which is that I don't know where the bar is 697 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:31,760 in Tramps. 698 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,040 I don't drink. 699 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,720 Er, I don't think I've ever bought a drink 700 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,560 in Tramps whenever I was there. 701 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,280 Do you remember dancing at Tramp? 702 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,840 Can you tell? 703 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:51,960 You can't tell. 704 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,640 You know that you were at home with the children. 705 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,280 Was it a memorable night? 706 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,240 On that particular day, um... 707 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,880 ...that we now understand is the date, um, 708 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,880 that is the 10th of March, I was at home. 709 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,280 I was with the children. 710 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,080 I'd taken Beatrice to, uh, a Pizza Express in Woking 711 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,240 for a party at, I suppose, 712 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,000 sort of four or five in the afternoon. 713 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,480 And why would you remember that so specifically? 714 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,480 Why do you remember a Pizza Express birthday 715 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,000 and being at home? 716 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,160 Because going to a Pizza Express in Woking 717 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,960 is an unusual thing for me to do. 718 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,280 A very unusual thing for me to do. 719 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,760 I've never been. 720 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,840 Go to the sweating. 721 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,720 Yeah, I can do. It's um... I haven't used the two shot yet. 722 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,960 It needs tidying up. 723 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,400 Well, show us anyway. 724 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,880 So, you're absolutely sure you were home 725 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,920 - on the 10th of March? - Yep. 726 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,160 She was very specific about that night. 727 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,560 She described dancing with you 728 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,240 and you profusely sweating. 729 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,800 And that she went on to have a bath, possibly. 730 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,240 There's... there's, a slight problem, uh, with the sweating, 731 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,640 which is that, um, I have a... a peculiar... 732 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:22,840 ...medical condition, 733 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,760 which is that I don't sweat or... or I didn't sweat at the time. 734 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,480 And that... actually, yeah, I didn't sweat at the time. 735 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,960 Uh... uh, because I had suffered what I would describe 736 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,920 as an overdose of adrenaline 737 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,360 in the Falklands War when I was shot at. 738 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,640 And I simply... it... it was almost impossible 739 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:42,800 for me to sweat. 740 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,840 Is it possible that you met Virginia Roberts, 741 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,680 dined with her, 742 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,920 danced with her at Tramp, 743 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200 had sex with her on another date? 744 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,600 So, from there on in, 745 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,520 you are back with the main interview. 746 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,920 I don't know. It feels it dropped in. 747 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:03,976 Well, he's the one who pushed for it. 748 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,720 Press won't know that. 749 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,440 They're his own words, Stew, 750 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,080 you were there when we recorded them. 751 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,320 Yeah, and now that I'm looking at them in the edit, 752 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,920 they don't feel right. Sorry. 753 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,360 Well, I guarantee you 754 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,920 those are the lines everyone's gonna remember. 755 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,840 And if the palace leaks that we cut them in, 756 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,720 how are we gonna deny it? BBC hangs Prince out to dry. 757 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,920 They're never gonna say that. He thinks they're his best lies. 758 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,056 Yes, and we're still pretending that it's a live recording 759 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,776 - as a single event when it isn't. - The truth what he said, Stew. 760 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,440 - they're his own words. - Enough, enough. 761 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,680 Enough! 762 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,920 We keep them in. 763 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,640 Tomorrow first thing, we send embargoed transcripts 764 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:49,360 to select journalists. 765 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,056 Alright, they can post reactions on Twitter, 766 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,960 but not reveal content. 767 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,936 Now, with any luck, they'll be as gobsmacked as we were, 768 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,720 which should tee us up nicely for reviews. 769 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,880 Saturday morning, Emily will do some more press, 770 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,960 then nine PM we go to air. 771 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,320 Now, fuck off all of you, and let Jake do his job. 772 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:05,880 Come on. 773 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,800 Okay. 774 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,120 Come in. 775 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,240 - Edward. - Uh, may I? 776 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,880 Oh, please, do sit down. 777 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,600 Uh, no, I'm not staying. 778 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,240 Just popped by to ask 779 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,680 how you thought it went yesterday? 780 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,240 Uh, very well, I think. 781 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,040 Oh, really? Only Donal thought it was a bit of a dog's dinner. 782 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,760 What's your leverage with Newsnight? 783 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,520 Leverage? 784 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,280 I mean, if you decided that the interview was a mistake, 785 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,240 could you stop it? 786 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,160 Well, I could make a call. 787 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:01,200 I mean, obviously we'd need to tread carefully 788 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,800 around Her Majesty's feelings. 789 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,280 In her eyes Andrew can do no wrong. 790 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,640 But if you thought it was in the Prince's best interest... 791 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,800 No. 792 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680 Thank you, but that won't be necessary. 793 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,080 Well, it's your call. 794 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,960 Coffee or vodka? 795 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,280 Vodka. 796 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,280 And no shooting any of my birds this time, Jack. 797 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,640 You veered perilously close to my airspace last time, 798 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,200 I seem to remember. 799 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,200 It's not Yorkshire rules, you know. 800 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,200 Right, come on ladies. They're not gonna wait for us. 801 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,600 Any time today. 802 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,840 - Morning. - Morning, Mrs Thirsk. 803 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,400 - Thank you very much. - You're welcome. 804 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,976 Please leave your message after the tone. 805 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,440 Good shot, Sir. 806 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,440 328 birds. 807 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,560 Hey, hey! 808 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,640 Not bad at all for a day's work. 809 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,040 I'd say we've earned our suppers, wouldn't you? 810 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,640 Well, most of us have. 811 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,720 I'm not looking at anyone in particular, James. 812 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,296 Leave James alone. 813 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160 Not quite the record. I believe that's still 336 birds, 814 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:22,240 but still not bad... 815 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,680 ...young women and children. 816 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,000 The investigation into Epstein is ongoing. 817 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,200 For his part, Prince Andrew has always denied 818 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,280 any allegations made against him by Virginia Roberts, 819 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,240 one of Epstein's victims. 820 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,280 But has never done so in his own words... 821 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,760 ...until tonight. 822 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,840 Your Royal Highness, 823 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,600 we've come to Buckingham Palace 824 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,360 in highly unusual circumstances. 825 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,160 Normally, we'd be discussing your work, your duty, 826 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,120 we'll come onto that, 827 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,080 but today you've chosen to speak out for the first time. 828 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,920 Why have you decided to talk now? 829 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,840 Because... 830 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,120 there is no good time to talk about Mr Epstein. 831 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,440 I had to show leadership. 832 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,160 I had to go there and see him, I had to tell him, that's it. 833 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:16,880 At the time, you know, I thought it was 834 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,080 the honourable, and... and right thing to do. 835 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,840 Um, but I admit fully that, um, my judgement 836 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,000 was probably coloured by my um... 837 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,480 ...tendency to be too honourable. 838 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,440 But that's just the way it is. 839 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,480 Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein? 840 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,320 I... ah... 841 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,880 She spoke about you outside the court 842 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,600 in August of this year. 843 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,160 She said, I quote, "He knows exactly what he's done, 844 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,880 and I hope he comes clean about it." 845 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,800 And the answer is... nothing. 846 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,920 So, if Virginia Roberts is watching this interview, 847 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,240 what is your message to her? 848 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,000 I... I... I don't have a message for her 849 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,640 because... I have to have a thick skin. 850 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,200 And... 851 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640 ...if somebody's just gonna make those sorts of allegations, 852 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,416 I've just got to have a thick skin and get on with it. 853 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,320 But they never happened. 854 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,160 There are all sorts of things on the internet and out there... 855 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,520 Your Majesty. 856 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,320 It just never happened. 857 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,520 Yes, I am. 858 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,280 Quack, quack. 859 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,600 - Uh, Donald Duck. - No. 860 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,760 Alan Sugar? 861 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,360 Pfffft. 862 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,520 Oh, don't worry, darling. 863 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,040 Argh! 864 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,200 Oh, it's Donald Trump. 865 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,480 How did it take you so long? 866 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,120 Her Majesty is on the line, Sir. 867 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,160 She'd... like a word with you. 868 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:19,720 Mummy?